Messenja, it could have been any type of entity that did that not just a demon. I'm interested in hearing what else you have seen.

Darklight, it was an interesting experience. I can't remember the exact conversation Lucifer and I had but I know it was a pleasant conversation. Like I had said I didn't feel any evil or darkness form him and I wasn't scared.


<3Hanna<3

Interesting.

i thought that satan was once of god`s angels who got down to earth against god`s words so he was exile to the depts

(06-10-2009 05:58 AM)maghunter Wrote:  DEMONS
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If one were to follow the Bible in matters of dealing with demons,..it would look different than the picture painted.
Disciples cast out real demons by sheer faith in Christ and calling on the demon to leave in the name of Christ. All created creatures fall under the domain of Christ. No other name need be mentioned.
There were no long, drawn out rituals,...but it was indeed necessary that the person doing the exorcism was a man of faith who was performing this act out of benevolence, and in the name of Christ. Jesus gives all who call on Him, have faith in Him, and believe in Him,..this same power.
I have a degree in comparative religions,...and have some knowledge of the ways Satan and his cohorts operate,....secretly. publicly, slyly, unknowlingly, and knowingly, tricking us to believe in anything but the truth.
They operate on a different plane,..but have the power to enter our plane if the circumstances call for it,..or a door has been opened for them to pass.
Demons are of different orders, different powers, different hiea[/font]rchies withing their world,....consider them a race of beings with their own government,..led and controlled by Satan, leading them to His ultimate end and goals. His time is short,..........but tooooo long for me. "Righteous Sword"

I'm sure most of you have different opinions on demons, heard different stories and so on maybe even encountered on an occasion. The reason of this new thread is to share my knowledge of demonology based on my studying and experience.

First of all there are two ways you can encounter demons... but out of these two ways only one is possible: physical form (possession) . You will never be able to make contact with a demon in any other form because it's not likely that there are ways to interact (speaking, listening, different planes different frequencies).
When a person is possessed it will have a bigger physical strength and speed but also it will tend to evaluate everything and speak more than act, inflict fear or try to convert or to manipulate, so it is on rare occasions that you may enter a physical conflict,fight, with a demon.

King Solomon's Demons
Everyone probably heard of the legends and myth regarding this historical figure so i'm not gonna write everything down about him, only the essentials.
It was said that he conjured spirits to help him gain knowledge and stuff like that. The less known legend found even in an old version of the first testament written though in latin, it's a reference of a holy man "on a journey to the land of souls and back, he will come changed and also change everything else". What supposedly happened was that he conjured something beyond his control and with it came other beings and a door was left open for some things that should not be here to pass into this realm,
first reference to demons.
Later on demons are given names in the bible and in other holy texts and also a classification by ranks (which i do not approve of in many cases).

short summary based on what i know:
Lucifer
Memmnon (Lucifer's son)
Mephistopheles(general of hell's army)
Sammael
Asmodeus
Azazel
Lilith
these are the ones with most historical, biblical and any other references

Exorcisms
Many say that there are only a few priests that can perform an accurate exorcism and those that are not given the holy gift cannot do so. Wrong.
Almost anyone who is trained and learns the proper texts can perform an exorcism, the trick is to know what kind of demon you are facing, how powerful he/she is, what is his purpose, goals and weaknesses.

I have witnessed an exorcism that went wrong, very wrong in my country, a woman said to be possessed for some time and she went demon eyed and crazy in the front of a church on a holy day. A priest tried to say some prayers and act like he knew what he was doing but... not everything is taught in "priest high school". The woman was pulling 3 men towards her and pushing them back.. showing huge strength until she mumbled something not in our language for sure and just dropped dead( her age was 62).

Now i'll be updating this thread when i will see fit to do so and for requests that you might have, but for those interested in more you can contact me with a private message if you have questions that you don't want to make public.

My background is in 5 years of demonology, started at age 14, my mentor was a former Vatican priest(from which i had access to several not published books and historical documents for a short time) a sort of distant relative of my family, and numerous investigations for two years all across country in collaboration with both orthodox and catholic churches, and 2 months of correspondence with Lorraine Warren well known demonologist and investigator at the famous Amytiville haunting.(if some of you wonder why i tend to speak of myself as a person who knows these things)

I look forward to your replies.

(06-12-2009 08:08 AM)gopherstyle Wrote:  im not saying your wrong or anything like you said people learn the same concept but differnt things.... but lucifer isnt a demon he is actually an angel satan is his demon name but again thats what i was told so correct me if im wrong lol

Lucifer,..is just a name,...one of the many names that Satan has been referred to as. Satan is a fallen angels,...and all those who followed him were also cast down to earth,...all are demons, angels gone bad,...so to speak,..but Lucifer is above all others, in authority, and in powers.
All demons have powers given their rank in the government (if you will) of Satan. Not all demons or bad angels are of the same abilities and have various purposes that Satan assigns to fulfill his ultimate long term goal with the human race.
Some demons do not have the purpose to harm, or even scare you. Their purpose is primarily deceipt...perhaps to get you to believe anything but the truth.
Hence,...we have ghosts, shadow creatures, ufos, EVP's, and perhaps even the Yehti, BigFoot, Werewoolf, all could be inacted by a spirit world to get us to believe in anything but God's truth.
The average human is eager to accept that their grandmother still lives in her old bedroom...and moves things around or even speaks to them from time to time,...or that UFOs are from another planet...etc.
These are deceitful lies that are purported and supported by a very well orchestrated and articulated master of deception,...and lies,....Satan.
Make no mistake,...their is a world that goes "bump-in-the-night"..ghosts have been seen, Voices heard, things moved,......but trust me in this,...it aint granny,...........far from it.
This is the world we are forbidden to see regularly but exists nonetheless. When we believe in what they want us to,...we open the door for there very existence on "our" plane....and Satan wins...(the battle,..not the war!)
hope you enjoyed another viewpoint...Righteous Sword

(06-13-2009 06:01 AM)maghunter Wrote:  about Lucifer it's true that he was the first fallen angel so you could say that he is still angel but if you consider or if you associate angels with Good than you can't still call Lucifer an angel that is why most cultures adopted the name of Satan.
And another thing.. this i'm not sure yet haven't read too much on this thing... any of you know what other angels fell ? after lucifer or at the same time? any mentions? any specific names or symbols associated with them?

(06-12-2009 08:51 AM)kraik Wrote:  My question is (how,or how come) How does a demon become? Or what does it become out of. Why have we not encountered new demons? Or have we? Maybe we weren't aware of such an event. Since the ones we know of were created during, and prior to the embrace of man and woman.

not easy to answer this one so i'll try making it simple . A demon is the opposite of an angel. Angels were created by God supposedly so it is believed that demons were created by lucifer or that some of them are even his offsprings, like Jesus to God, there is Memmnon to Lucifer. Of course no one knows if there is in fact reproduction like in the human race or animal reign because no one knows the true nature of a demon. could they be physical beings like us or just spiritual who knows, or maybe 50-50.
Only true fact is that demons posses humans in order to do all sorts of stuff for them so probably they need a body in order to influence our lives on our realm.
About encountering demons... honestly i do believe not all of them begin to drive their "hosts" mad and all movie-like stuff and some of them have another purpose of being here than just going on a killing spree that's why earth is referred to as the purgatory(hope u didn't think the purgatory was another place) same realm different plane or dimension some references are made in St.Jones Revelations or in the writings of Luke.
So it very possible that when you go to work and you shake hands with someone he could be a demon and u just didn't know, or you could wake up and at the newspaper stand the old man selling papers there his whole life is recently occupied by a demon, hard way of knowing where and when, but the how is simple .

BTw demons are mentioned as actual beings or entities after Lucifers fall, and in ancient greek after Hades received the Inferno as a realm to rule upon.

The thinking that Lucifer created demons is wrong. Demons were angels as well. Refer to the Bible. When Satan rebelled,....he had a following as well,...they too were angels.
In the Bible,..a certain number were cast down all at once. Satan does not have the power to create. He is not omnipotent, omnicient, nor omnipresent (cant be everywhere at once) like our creator God.
Although brimming with seemingly unbelievable powers that certainly would seem God-like,.....he, in fact, is a spirit creation like all angels.
God made angels at first to have free will as well,....and with their powers felt like they no longer needed the protection or love of their creator and rebelled, became disobedient and thus cast to earth to rule, for the most part,..until the Second coming of Christ.
All angels are beings,...spirit beings. Bad angels are still angels,...demons are bad angels so just understand. All humans arent good either,..but they are still humans!
Righteous Sword

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(06-14-2009 09:48 AM)Darklight Wrote:  And what a lovely place hell is. I mean the weather is always nice stays warm year round can't complain, Look at it this way it doesn't snow or rain there. > _ >

My friend,..I pray you never find out how terrifying, awful, disgusting, Hell really is. It is the total lack of love. Eternal pain and suffering,..no hiding from it, no rest from it, no sleep, just perpetual, eternal, never-ending suffering and torture.
Not a kidding matter friend..................Righteous Sword

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(06-18-2009 01:05 PM)HannaTrinity Wrote:  Well I have to say this and you can call me crazy or a nut, I really don't care. I'm part demon. My astral mother was kidnapped and raped by a demon. No, I was not raised as a demon in the astrals so I am not real familiar with demons. And I have met Lucifer before and I did not sense any evil or darkness from him. Where I met him was a place of fire and brimstone but I think it was just a small part of his domain. Ok, I'm ready to be called crazy now .

Your mother may have been kidnapped and raped,..that is true. The person raping could have easily been possesed by a demon.....it doesnt make you one. You are a creation of God. You were meant to be. How each of us is "meant" to be can vary......but who is to say different but God Himself.
Revoke astrology all together,...it says in the scriptures to renounce magic, witchcraft, calling spirits from the dead, astrology,...these are only things of Satan,.....and best to dissassociate yourself with this hogwartz quickly with no looking back.
If you would have truly met Lucifer,...you would have felt the ultimate coldness, lack of humanity, love, for this creation hates and dispises that which God loves above all,.....US.
His whole reason for being is to convince us that Christ is a myth,..of no consequence,...folklore at best,...so that we accept things like astrology, demonology, ufology, witchcraft,..and the like.
Distance yourself, protect your soul,....that is eternal...and you need to choose where you want to spend eternity.....the decision is yours alone...but you are not doomed...God has open arms by accepting that Christ, died for you to set you free from all of your sins and false beliefs and shortcomings for all of us,...ALL of us,...fall short of Gods glory and are filled with inequities and wrongfulness and sin!
I will pray for you because it is what my creator wishes....

(06-17-2009 10:25 PM)maghunter Wrote:  

(06-14-2009 09:48 AM)Darklight Wrote:  And what a lovely place hell is. I mean the weather is always nice stays warm year round can't complain, Look at it this way it doesn't snow or rain there. > _ >

) yeah when you come to think about it it does sound better than our weather, but actually all these facts are just speculations of hell, nowhere is it written that hell is actually fire and tar pits and stuff like that cos .. don't think there is anyone to have been to hell and back... yet

To the person above saying no where is it written that hell is actually fire and tar pits has never once cracked open the Bible. So the inference is insulting to those in the know.
Get a Bible concordance and look up Hell in the many descriptions in the Bible. Often referred to as "the Lake of Fire".....cant think where you live is worse than that!

(10-30-2009 11:31 AM)righteous sword Wrote:  

(06-13-2009 06:01 AM)maghunter Wrote:  about Lucifer it's true that he was the first fallen angel so you could say that he is still angel but if you consider or if you associate angels with Good than you can't still call Lucifer an angel that is why most cultures adopted the name of Satan.
And another thing.. this i'm not sure yet haven't read too much on this thing... any of you know what other angels fell ? after lucifer or at the same time? any mentions? any specific names or symbols associated with them?

(06-12-2009 08:51 AM)kraik Wrote:  My question is (how,or how come) How does a demon become? Or what does it become out of. Why have we not encountered new demons? Or have we? Maybe we weren't aware of such an event. Since the ones we know of were created during, and prior to the embrace of man and woman.

not easy to answer this one so i'll try making it simple . A demon is the opposite of an angel. Angels were created by God supposedly so it is believed that demons were created by lucifer or that some of them are even his offsprings, like Jesus to God, there is Memmnon to Lucifer. Of course no one knows if there is in fact reproduction like in the human race or animal reign because no one knows the true nature of a demon. could they be physical beings like us or just spiritual who knows, or maybe 50-50.
Only true fact is that demons posses humans in order to do all sorts of stuff for them so probably they need a body in order to influence our lives on our realm.
About encountering demons... honestly i do believe not all of them begin to drive their "hosts" mad and all movie-like stuff and some of them have another purpose of being here than just going on a killing spree that's why earth is referred to as the purgatory(hope u didn't think the purgatory was another place) same realm different plane or dimension some references are made in St.Jones Revelations or in the writings of Luke.
So it very possible that when you go to work and you shake hands with someone he could be a demon and u just didn't know, or you could wake up and at the newspaper stand the old man selling papers there his whole life is recently occupied by a demon, hard way of knowing where and when, but the how is simple .

BTw demons are mentioned as actual beings or entities after Lucifers fall, and in ancient greek after Hades received the Inferno as a realm to rule upon.

The thinking that Lucifer created demons is wrong. Demons were angels as well. Refer to the Bible. When Satan rebelled,....he had a following as well,...they too were angels.
In the Bible,..a certain number were cast down all at once. Satan does not have the power to create. He is not omnipotent, omnicient, nor omnipresent (cant be everywhere at once) like our creator God.
Although brimming with seemingly unbelievable powers that certainly would seem God-like,.....he, in fact, is a spirit creation like all angels.
God made angels at first to have free will as well,....and with their powers felt like they no longer needed the protection or love of their creator and rebelled, became disobedient and thus cast to earth to rule, for the most part,..until the Second coming of Christ.
All angels are beings,...spirit beings. Bad angels are still angels,...demons are bad angels so just understand. All humans arent good either,..but they are still humans!
Righteous Sword

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(06-14-2009 09:48 AM)Darklight Wrote:  And what a lovely place hell is. I mean the weather is always nice stays warm year round can't complain, Look at it this way it doesn't snow or rain there. > _ >

My friend,..I pray you never find out how terrifying, awful, disgusting, Hell really is. It is the total lack of love. Eternal pain and suffering,..no hiding from it, no rest from it, no sleep, just perpetual, eternal, never-ending suffering and torture.
Not a kidding matter friend..................Righteous Sword

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(06-18-2009 01:05 PM)HannaTrinity Wrote:  Well I have to say this and you can call me crazy or a nut, I really don't care. I'm part demon. My astral mother was kidnapped and raped by a demon. No, I was not raised as a demon in the astrals so I am not real familiar with demons. And I have met Lucifer before and I did not sense any evil or darkness from him. Where I met him was a place of fire and brimstone but I think it was just a small part of his domain. Ok, I'm ready to be called crazy now .

Your mother may have been kidnapped and raped,..that is true. The person raping could have easily been possesed by a demon.....it doesnt make you one. You are a creation of God. You were meant to be. How each of us is "meant" to be can vary......but who is to say different but God Himself.
Revoke astrology all together,...it says in the scriptures to renounce magic, witchcraft, calling spirits from the dead, astrology,...these are only things of Satan,.....and best to dissassociate yourself with this hogwartz quickly with no looking back.
If you would have truly met Lucifer,...you would have felt the ultimate coldness, lack of humanity, love, for this creation hates and dispises that which God loves above all,.....US.
His whole reason for being is to convince us that Christ is a myth,..of no consequence,...folklore at best,...so that we accept things like astrology, demonology, ufology, witchcraft,..and the like.
Distance yourself, protect your soul,....that is eternal...and you need to choose where you want to spend eternity.....the decision is yours alone...but you are not doomed...God has open arms by accepting that Christ, died for you to set you free from all of your sins and false beliefs and shortcomings for all of us,...ALL of us,...fall short of Gods glory and are filled with inequities and wrongfulness and sin!
I will pray for you because it is what my creator wishes....

No offense to anyone, but I knew this would turn into a religious debate sooner or later. I for one believe demons exist on our plane, the same way I believe angels do. Now when two homeless people are fighting, sure, they could be an angel against a demon, but really, whos to know? Is the angel going to sprout wings and apparate a long sword while the demon bursts into flames wielding a pitchfork?!?!?

Ok, sorry. Just had to get that off my chest.

Sometime soon I might just add my 50 cents worth onto this, seeing I know a bit about Demons myself, from my own "curse" as I call it, and from my own encounters... But, they don't need any real door or passageway to be opened to them to bother ANYONE...