I pretty much watch everything on TV that I can get my hands on when it comes to the Paranormal, and a majority of the evidence that “they” portray is EVP evidence. During the Reveal, a common scene is that Grant and Jay (Ghost Hunters) will play a looped recording of something that sounds like a few words put together, if you “listen real close”. Now, when these folks go into a site to investigate, they are being followed around by a sound man. This guy’s got a few thousand dollars worth of sound recording equipment strapped to him while he manipulates a boom microphone above or around the investigators being filmed performing their investigation, yet, this very sensitive equipment doesn’t pick up the EVP’s picked up by a $40.00, handheld, digital recorder.

I’ve also seen Zac and the boys (Ghost Adventures) state something like… “While the mist was forming, Aarons camera picked up this strange EVP”, but the digital recorder Zac was holding at the time, didn’t pick it up.

Ok.. I get that not every device within the room is going to pick up the same EVP every time, but, You’d think that with a very sensitive and expensive piece of equipment designed to pick up everything, they’d pick up something, some of the time.

Wow... a week and no one wanted to take that one on?.... LOL

(05-13-2010 09:59 AM)Papabear Wrote:  Wow... a week and no one wanted to take that one on?.... LOL

Its not that no one wanted to take that on. This forum is dead. The Admin abandoned it in September of last year, look at her last log in date.

Come on over to http://www.TheParanormalForum.org. We are just getting started but at least we are active.

(06-12-2010 05:15 AM)iseethings Wrote:  

(05-13-2010 09:59 AM)Papabear Wrote:  Wow... a week and no one wanted to take that one on?.... LOL

Its not that no one wanted to take that on. This forum is dead. The Admin abandoned it in September of last year, look at her last log in date.

Come on over to http://www.TheParanormalForum.org. We are just getting started but at least we are active.

Again, please stop posting this!

I wanted to answer back when he first posted the question, but I had nothing to give. I do not have the answer

(06-12-2010 10:32 PM)weevamp13 Wrote:  [quote='iseethings' pid='1912' dateline='1276283724']
[quote='Papabear' pid='1894' dateline='1273708781']
Wow... a week and no one wanted to take that one on?.... LOL

Well, they got 9 whole members.. LMAO..

I stop in every once in a while... but it does look kinda deserted around here... even the spammers have started taking over...

http://beyondthegrave.forumotion.net/forum.htm

I'm new to the site I joined here and another site that was called AThirdLife.com. I met the guy, Christian Schoyen who runs that at a New Age Expo and thus now my interest are perked and here I am...Stan The Fan. That site and this one will be the first two sites for me explore. I explained more in the introduction section of the forum, I get bored easily and don't want to bother recapping.

Anyway...

Just so you know I work in the TV industry and EVERYTHING is scripted. It has to be because of costs. Probably what you saw was a mistake in editing, hey it happens. You are probably one of the very few who really pays enough attention to notice the flaws, know what I mean. Most of America goes brain dead in front of the TV. So you probably caught either a bad edit or them "re-enacting" something just to get the shot. Again... it happens...every shoot pretty much. Production crews only have a short amount of time to get what they need and make it work, if they don't the network really could care less, they'll just "make it up" . Which is why reality TV is such a wonderful thing for a network, you don't have to pay real "Actors" or "Union Scale" anymore. Budgets have gone from millions of dollars for shows to now thousands of dollars, which also explains why just about every show is a reality format. Sitcoms are dead, their big budgets killed them.

Sorry to be the one to tell you but, what you're watching ISN'T "100" percent reality more like 30, 40 tops. Like I said EVERYTHING that goes on TV has to be scripted of FCC will take you down.

(07-08-2010 11:05 AM)StanTheFan Wrote:  I'm new to the site I joined here and another site that was called AThirdLife.com. I met the guy, Christian Schoyen who runs that at a New Age Expo and thus now my interest are perked and here I am...Stan The Fan. That site and this one will be the first two sites for me explore. I explained more in the introduction section of the forum, I get bored easily and don't want to bother recapping.

Anyway...

Just so you know I work in the TV industry and EVERYTHING is scripted. It has to be because of costs. Probably what you saw was a mistake in editing, hey it happens. You are probably one of the very few who really pays enough attention to notice the flaws, know what I mean. Most of America goes brain dead in front of the TV. So you probably caught either a bad edit or them "re-enacting" something just to get the shot. Again... it happens...every shoot pretty much. Production crews only have a short amount of time to get what they need and make it work, if they don't the network really could care less, they'll just "make it up" . Which is why reality TV is such a wonderful thing for a network, you don't have to pay real "Actors" or "Union Scale" anymore. Budgets have gone from millions of dollars for shows to now thousands of dollars, which also explains why just about every show is a reality format. Sitcoms are dead, their big budgets killed them.

Sorry to be the one to tell you but, what you're watching ISN'T "100" percent reality more like 30, 40 tops. Like I said EVERYTHING that goes on TV has to be scripted of FCC will take you down.

While what you say does make sense, I do have more questions that are similar...

Now, this is NOT from a TV show, but from my team's own investigation at my uncles house. We had a video camera set up. And My fiance and I were standing in the kitchen, this video camera was no more than 4 feet away from me. I carry a voice recorder on me and running at ALL times. But the ONLY evidence we caught that night happened to be when I was standing that close to the camera, and ONLY the camera caught these EVPs, not the voice recorder that I was holding. Same idea, but the other way around. Now that's what I find to be strange. The voice recorders were very good ones and the video cameras, not so much, yet it was those that caught it..and it was plain as day too, a voice talking OVER mine.

I'd like to kinda add/pose a questions that does go along with the original post tho, got me thinking after the post previous to mine. In shows like ghost hunters, do the camera men really follow all the teams all night long? I mean we're ONLY seeing 1 hour total of footage (including after the investigation during evidence and reveal) But they spend 6+ hours at many places. I'm not saying they don't follow them around, but I'm just curious. Because if they don't, perhaps that's why they don't show that on the shows?

(07-08-2010 10:07 PM)weevamp13 Wrote:  

(07-08-2010 11:05 AM)StanTheFan Wrote:  I'm new to the site I joined here and another site that was called AThirdLife.com. I met the guy, Christian Schoyen who runs that at a New Age Expo and thus now my interest are perked and here I am...Stan The Fan. That site and this one will be the first two sites for me explore. I explained more in the introduction section of the forum, I get bored easily and don't want to bother recapping.

Anyway...

Just so you know I work in the TV industry and EVERYTHING is scripted. It has to be because of costs. Probably what you saw was a mistake in editing, hey it happens. You are probably one of the very few who really pays enough attention to notice the flaws, know what I mean. Most of America goes brain dead in front of the TV. So you probably caught either a bad edit or them "re-enacting" something just to get the shot. Again... it happens...every shoot pretty much. Production crews only have a short amount of time to get what they need and make it work, if they don't the network really could care less, they'll just "make it up" . Which is why reality TV is such a wonderful thing for a network, you don't have to pay real "Actors" or "Union Scale" anymore. Budgets have gone from millions of dollars for shows to now thousands of dollars, which also explains why just about every show is a reality format. Sitcoms are dead, their big budgets killed them.

Sorry to be the one to tell you but, what you're watching ISN'T "100" percent reality more like 30, 40 tops. Like I said EVERYTHING that goes on TV has to be scripted of FCC will take you down.

While what you say does make sense, I do have more questions that are similar...

Now, this is NOT from a TV show, but from my team's own investigation at my uncles house. We had a video camera set up. And My fiance and I were standing in the kitchen, this video camera was no more than 4 feet away from me. I carry a voice recorder on me and running at ALL times. But the ONLY evidence we caught that night happened to be when I was standing that close to the camera, and ONLY the camera caught these EVPs, not the voice recorder that I was holding. Same idea, but the other way around. Now that's what I find to be strange. The voice recorders were very good ones and the video cameras, not so much, yet it was those that caught it..and it was plain as day too, a voice talking OVER mine.

I'd like to kinda add/pose a questions that does go along with the original post tho, got me thinking after the post previous to mine. In shows like ghost hunters, do the camera men really follow all the teams all night long? I mean we're ONLY seeing 1 hour total of footage (including after the investigation during evidence and reveal) But they spend 6+ hours at many places. I'm not saying they don't follow them around, but I'm just curious. Because if they don't, perhaps that's why they don't show that on the shows?

Okay so here goes! Everything thing electronic rides of "frequencies" therefore some phones are regular wireless, some are 3G, and now we have 4G technology. Regular wireless can not pickup 3G, and 3G can not pick up 4G. So you could have the best of the best recorders and if it is not "attuned" to the right frequency you might as well have had nothing, sad to say, which is why you got nothing.

In TV and Film we are slowly transferring everything over to HD. Most actors hate it because it shows every little line, freckle, and age spot, but alas, it is the way all that all TV and Film will soon become. It is 100 percent clearer than the old analog ways. Older cameras, which in the meaning of old I mean not of HD, even if they came out last year or last month if they are not HD they are considered still considered old technology, but older cameras do not operate on the same technology as HD and can't even be edited in the same way when taken from production to post, and they do not blend with analog very well it its a very noticeable difference in the quality.


Perhaps your camera even though it is not considered the greatest or most expensive of cameras is of a better technology and more sensitive to whichever wavelength your EVP was functioning on, than your top of the line, expensive voice recorder, go figure just because something says it's top of the line means it's top of the line for certain things, not all things. which is usually why electronics and their technology become "dated" and "old"so fast.

Usually on shoots there is a sound guy(usually boom mikes), and cameras with sound, as a double way of protection, so when one won't pick something's sound up, the other willl. Again, just as a measure of safety for voice syncing if something goes wrong with audio on either way. It's much easier to fix a bad picture verses little to no sound.

As for do camera men follow the stars of the show all night, yes and no. Let me explain, a average work day for us is 8 to 12 hours depending on if you are union or not, but give or take anything after 12 and we are on overtime.Networks do not like overtime. So yes, camera crews will sit out a shot for maybe 12 hours and then that's it, day is over unless the segment producer gets permission to go overtime from the main producer. Usually that doesn't happen, so whatever they don't get in those 8 to 12 hours, then it's up to post production/editing to "fix/fake/add on/take away". It could have happened, may well have happened, honestly happened but if the crew has gone home or you're on a production deadline and the real footage isn't there, then the only thing you can do is fix/fake it/add/subtract it in post production. And if the show told you the camera guys weren't actually there when it happened but it really did happen you probably wouldn't believe them anyway, so that's exactly why they don't tell you. I wouldn't thus the cynic versus the believer in me, I suppose, but basically Its' a lie with some truth in it. And by the way you are seeing LESS than an hour of footage. If the TV show is an hour about 15 minutes or more of that goes to commercials, that's how the network pays for production. So an hour show really is about 45 minutes of footage.

Now you can answer something for me, a person on a thirdlife.com is asking about duplicate names of angels, and if Satan is still the most beautiful of all angels. Perhaps you can do me a favor and answer her over there, because nobody has been able to answer, and those questions aren't "my thing", and I don't lie or make things up just to come up with an answer to make people feel better. So I believe you are in a better position than I to answer that! TV/ Film I know, duplicate angels/Satan I don't! Good luck on your ghost hunting!

The T.A.P.S. crew has acknowledged that they go through the production video and audio along with their own. One a couple occasions, I'm pretty sure they've actually used the production stuff to show a client, which would mean that it picks up the sounds, too. It could also be that, if their equipment picks it up, that's what they use. Unless the production version is that much better (which has happened).

That said, I've had multiple recorders going, in some cases side by side (testing a theory), and one machine will pick up sounds that the other doesn't. I don't have an explanation, just that it sometimes happens.

But then, they've also admitted on their show that sometimes they have to re-enact some of the footage because something didn't record properly during the actual investigation. So I imagine it's a combination of what Stan said, with them re-filming a shot and you noticing something that might not have been there the first time.